Assignment 3 – Last Chance Observations
This is the last week that we will be doing observations. You guys are getting great at this and it takes practice. Try to look at my comments to others...they are meant to be teaching helps for all of us.
One more round of observations on Isaiah 43:15-21. In addition to regular observations, also observe any sections or divisions that you notice and ask any questions that you might have (don’t try to answer them though). Next week we will move on to the next major section in the inductive method. It will get a little more fun and not as monotonous. But every step after this is dependent on making good observations first, so make sure you finish this week’s observations!
Please post by midnight Thursday! Then comment on at least one other person's post.
Thanks!
Clay
I. Former/Old things v. 18
ReplyDeleteWhat are the old/former things that the Lord is referring to?
II. New Thing v.19
What new thing that He will be doing?
III People v.20-21
Who are the chosen people? Who are the people whom he formed for Himself? Is He referring to same group of people?
I'm not sure if this is "Chiasm" Just a trial
ReplyDeleteA. Who the Lord is
Lord,Creator, Holy one,King.... v.15
B. What the Lord does/did
makes a way.. v.16-17
C. Former things v.18
C" New thing v.19
B" What is He going to do
will make a way... v19-20
A" ...formed from myself( Creator) v.21
Lily!
ReplyDeleteYou are killing me! Are you some Bible scholar that's undercover to make sure I am teaching right?! This chiasm is amazing...I had not seen that yet. We will fill everybody in on the fun in a couple weeks!
Way to go girl!
Clay
I really enjoy every bit of our study. I keep reading the verses over and over, highlight common words, underline and take notes of the pattern, and write my question. God's WORD is so rich.
ReplyDeleteI don't know if I can come up with any other observations.
ReplyDeleteWhy is verse 15 separated from the rest? http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?go=Go&q=Isaiah+43%3A15-21
There are indents that are written like a poem from 15-21 that I hadn't seen before.
If vs 18 had a question mark at the end it would make more sense to me. As it stands, is God saying NOT to remember the former things and NOT to consider the past?
God is talking in the present tense v16 & 17 and even in the beginning of vs 19.
Then God speaks of the future of what he WILL do (the end of vs 19, and the beginning of vs 20.
Then he goes back to the present tense in the end of vs 20.
My brain is hurting.
Lily, what is a Chaism? You broke down the verses into old, new and people, that's good and clear. Nice.
ReplyDeleteCould you also break it down as:
I Introduction (15),
II Display of power (16-17,19 & beginning of 20),
III Kindness/compassion (20),
IV Expectation (21)
I mean what is a Chiasm, not Chaism? I wasn't very observant of the spelling! =)
ReplyDeleteI: The Lord is everyone; God, King of Israel,amongst many other titles.v 15
ReplyDeleteII: The Lord will always make a way for his word to play out. v 16-17
III: he will make a new way for us through him not through following the old law, why we were saved.v18-19
IV : He is the only way,to eternal life and sounds to me that the author is previewing Romans that every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess.v.20-21
I hope I am not too far off base.
Lily,
ReplyDeleteGood job,as always.
Sandy
Hey Clay man Chiasms! ugh.... Your gonna have to go over those during our next meeting, which is when? Lily you have started a monster...
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ReplyDeleteI guess there isn't an edit button! :o)
ReplyDeletevs. 15: Introduction of the speaker
vs. 16: The speaker further introduces himself to the hearer, by describing what he does
vs. 18-21: The speaker delivers his message
vs. 18: Speaker gives a command to the hearer
vs. 19-21: Speakers tells the hearer what he is doing, what he will do, and what will be the result
And from last week…sorry it's late
vs. 15
The speaker (God) tells the reader who is speaking “I am the Lord, your Holy One”
Written in the first person.
God is speaking to subjects (people who consider him their King)
God uses personal pronouns- YOUR Holy One, YOUR King
God is the Holy One, He is the creator of Israel, He is our King.
vs. 16
No longer in the first person.
The writer describes God by listing things God does.
The writer describes God as the one who makes a way in the sea and the one who makes a path in the might waters.
vs. 17
The writer continues listing things God does.
God brings forth the chariot and horse.
God brings forth the army and the warrior.
The chariot, horse, army, and warrior cannot rise, they lie down and are extinguished.
vs. 16 and vs. 17
The things listed in these verses are things that are powerful- mighty waters, the seas, armies, warriors and chariots, but they are made powerless. For example, a path is made through the mighty waters; the horse, chariot, army and warrior lie down and are extinguished.
vs. 18
First person is used again.
God tells his people they are not to remember the former things, or the things of old.
vs. 19
God declares He is doing a new thing and it is springing forth.
God asks if his people perceive he is doing a new thing.
God states He will make a way in the wilderness and a way in the desert.
God uses examples of things that do not usually occur in nature to describe the thing He is doing: A way in the wilderness (people do not usually travel through the wilderness, it is wild because it is not inhabited); Rivers in the desert (a desert exists because there is no water).
vs. 20
Here animals are used to describe the new thing God is doing (or what is occurring as a result of the new thing He is doing)- the wild beasts are honoring him.
Water is again used to describe the new thing that is springing up (water again?)- He is giving water in the wilderness and rivers in the desert, and giving drink to his chosen people.
Things are occurring in the wilderness and desert that do not ordinarily occur.
vs. 21
God formed His people for himself.
God formed His people that they might declare His praise.
Tony,
ReplyDeleteYou say you can't come up with anymore observations, and then you ask possibly the most important question that anyone has asked to this point: is the punctuation mark at the end of verse 18 correct? Should it be a statement or a question?
This is an important observation because we have to remember that translators have decided what and where punctuation marks go because there is no such thing in the Hebrew language (original). They look at context, word order, and other clues to make their judgment calls.
Everybody keep this question in mind. Refrain from answering it definitively yet. We have a tendency to decide so quickly what the meaning is, and this is when we get into the most trouble and fall into error in interpretation
Tony, sections are subjective, so you can definitely have something different from the others and it still make sense.
Nice work!
Clay
Tony and Larry,
ReplyDeleteSee Nicole M.'s post for another possible chiasm! We will cover these at our next meeting on Feb 27. Pretty cool stuff!
Clay
Dave,
ReplyDeleteThanks for the post. Like a couple others, you are at a slight disadvantage because you weren't there at our first meeting. I like your observations...I can tell you're really thinking about the text. But in the inductive study method we are using, when you are doing observations, you should attempt not to include yourself (stick to the original audience only) and also do not bring in other texts (Romans) unless the passage itself refers to it (such as it does the Exodus event)
You're catching on, and I'm really glad you're in this with us!
Clay
Shana
ReplyDeleteBrilliant! I love how you went verse by verse and really covered the whole passage. I also really liked your observation about God referring to things that don't normally occur in nature: path in the wilderness and rivers in the desert...very good observation!
Clay
Tony, you are doing great. Clay will go over about chiasm when we meet together. This is getting more exciting.
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